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		<title>By: Is Project Management a Profession? &#124; nedelcov.name</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Project Management a Profession? &#124; nedelcov.name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 13:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dennis Stevens; “By any definition, Project Management is a profession.” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Paul Giammalvo</title>
		<link>http://www.dennisstevens.com/2008/12/14/is-project-management-a-profession/comment-page-1/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Paul Giammalvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colleagues,
While I am perfectly willing to agree the issue is about semantics, there are significant legal, political, economic and social implications that go with being a &quot;professional&quot; and with what you do being recognized as a &quot;profession&quot;.

To help clarify the semantics, let me jump in this discussion with an analogy from my own PhD research, exploring the question &quot;Is Project Management a Profession? And if not, what is it?&quot;

&quot;Tiger Woods is unquestionably a talented golfer. One would be very hard-put
to dispute the obvious, which that he is very competent at what he does,
perhaps one of the best ever. Therefore he meets the first test of being a
professional (n) – skill and competence. In fact, he is sufficiently competent
that he makes a very handsome living performing for pay what most of us
consider a hobby; hence, applying the second criterion, he meets the
‘earnings test’ to be considered a professional (n). He is not an amateur.
Having met both tests (highly competent and earning a living at what most do
for a hobby) entitles him to be termed a professional (adj.) golfer.
However, just because Tiger Woods meets the criteria to be called both a
professional (n) and a professional (adj) golfer, golf does not qualify as a
profession, although Woods might call it his profession (his paid job).&quot;

IF we use only dictionary definitions, then you are justified in your claim. However, you also need to look beyond merely dictionary definitions to legal, socio-economic and semantics before rendering a decision, and if you start to dig deeper into the topic, I think you too would find that &quot;project management is not now, nor is it likely in the foreseable future, to be recognized as a profession&quot;. (As quoted by Bill Zwerman and Janice Thomas in research funded in part by PMI- &quot;Exploring the Past to Map the Future&quot; published by PMI and available in their bookstore.

If anyone wants to see the full dissertation, email me privately at pauldgphd@gmail.com

BR,
Dr. PDG, Jakarta</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colleagues,<br />
While I am perfectly willing to agree the issue is about semantics, there are significant legal, political, economic and social implications that go with being a &#8220;professional&#8221; and with what you do being recognized as a &#8220;profession&#8221;.</p>
<p>To help clarify the semantics, let me jump in this discussion with an analogy from my own PhD research, exploring the question &#8220;Is Project Management a Profession? And if not, what is it?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Tiger Woods is unquestionably a talented golfer. One would be very hard-put<br />
to dispute the obvious, which that he is very competent at what he does,<br />
perhaps one of the best ever. Therefore he meets the first test of being a<br />
professional (n) – skill and competence. In fact, he is sufficiently competent<br />
that he makes a very handsome living performing for pay what most of us<br />
consider a hobby; hence, applying the second criterion, he meets the<br />
‘earnings test’ to be considered a professional (n). He is not an amateur.<br />
Having met both tests (highly competent and earning a living at what most do<br />
for a hobby) entitles him to be termed a professional (adj.) golfer.<br />
However, just because Tiger Woods meets the criteria to be called both a<br />
professional (n) and a professional (adj) golfer, golf does not qualify as a<br />
profession, although Woods might call it his profession (his paid job).&#8221;</p>
<p>IF we use only dictionary definitions, then you are justified in your claim. However, you also need to look beyond merely dictionary definitions to legal, socio-economic and semantics before rendering a decision, and if you start to dig deeper into the topic, I think you too would find that &#8220;project management is not now, nor is it likely in the foreseable future, to be recognized as a profession&#8221;. (As quoted by Bill Zwerman and Janice Thomas in research funded in part by PMI- &#8220;Exploring the Past to Map the Future&#8221; published by PMI and available in their bookstore.</p>
<p>If anyone wants to see the full dissertation, email me privately at <a href="mailto:pauldgphd@gmail.com">pauldgphd@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>BR,<br />
Dr. PDG, Jakarta</p>
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		<title>By: PM Hut</title>
		<link>http://www.dennisstevens.com/2008/12/14/is-project-management-a-profession/comment-page-1/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>PM Hut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole issue is very debatable, sometimes, you become a Project Manager all of a sudden (the accidental Project Manager type).

I&#039;m among who see that Project Management can become a profession at one point (like being a lawyer, a teacher, a doctor, etc...), but maybe for now (again this is very debatable), it hasn&#039;t reached the necessary maturity for a profession (other professions are thousands of years old).

I did publish an article a while ago on the &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.pmhut.com/the-profession-of-project-management&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;profession of Project Management&lt;/a&gt; (written by a well established Project Manager). Have a look whenever you have time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole issue is very debatable, sometimes, you become a Project Manager all of a sudden (the accidental Project Manager type).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m among who see that Project Management can become a profession at one point (like being a lawyer, a teacher, a doctor, etc&#8230;), but maybe for now (again this is very debatable), it hasn&#8217;t reached the necessary maturity for a profession (other professions are thousands of years old).</p>
<p>I did publish an article a while ago on the <a href='http://www.pmhut.com/the-profession-of-project-management' rel="nofollow">profession of Project Management</a> (written by a well established Project Manager). Have a look whenever you have time!</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Nankivel</title>
		<link>http://www.dennisstevens.com/2008/12/14/is-project-management-a-profession/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Nankivel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A short time ago on pmStudent.com I made a post titled &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://pmstudent.com/everything-you-know-about-project-management-is-wrong&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Everything You Know About Project Management is Wrong&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;

I thought it would be catchy for other reasons but we ended up hashing out a comment storm on the topic of project management as a profession.

22 comments thus far with notables like Dave Garrett, Dr. Paul, John Reiling, Bill Duncan, and Craig Brown weighing in.

Personally, I tend to agree with Dennis and will continue to refer to PM as a profession.  I think people are getting really worked up over it for semantics.  What&#039;s the value in arguing against it? 

Please, leave your comments here on Dennis&#039; blog.  What do you think about all this?

Josh Nankivel
http://pmStudent.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A short time ago on pmStudent.com I made a post titled &#8220;<a href="http://pmstudent.com/everything-you-know-about-project-management-is-wrong" rel="nofollow">Everything You Know About Project Management is Wrong</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought it would be catchy for other reasons but we ended up hashing out a comment storm on the topic of project management as a profession.</p>
<p>22 comments thus far with notables like Dave Garrett, Dr. Paul, John Reiling, Bill Duncan, and Craig Brown weighing in.</p>
<p>Personally, I tend to agree with Dennis and will continue to refer to PM as a profession.  I think people are getting really worked up over it for semantics.  What&#8217;s the value in arguing against it? </p>
<p>Please, leave your comments here on Dennis&#8217; blog.  What do you think about all this?</p>
<p>Josh Nankivel<br />
<a href="http://pmStudent.com" rel="nofollow">http://pmStudent.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Glen B. Alleman</title>
		<link>http://www.dennisstevens.com/2008/12/14/is-project-management-a-profession/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen B. Alleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis,
Great Blog, added to my reader.
Here&#039;s my problem with all the &quot;profession&quot; discussion - not that you and all other don&#039;t have some point. If we speak about professional engineers (I once held such a title), or professional photographers, or professional volleyball players, and maybe even professional pianist - what do we speak about when we say Professional Project Management? Couldn&#039;t we also say Professional Bagel Maker? Both require experience, some training, probably some kind of &quot;official&quot; assessment before being allowed to work for money.
But is it the same as the Profession of Law, Medicine, and Pilot?
In fact from the example above, a graduate from medical school is not a doctor yet. She has to pass the medical board exam. Same for Lawyers. Going to school is necessary but not sufficient. 
So using the doctor example, where&#039;s the state board exam for Project Management (Texas had an idea for Professional SW Developer at one time). 
In fact PM&#039;s have NOT spent 1,000&#039;s of hours mastering their skills. They may have spent 1,000&#039;s working as a PM. But mastering skills. In what way would a PM be assessed by 3rd party overseers on those skills.
In the end the statement &quot;few are as talented as &#039;me&#039;...&quot; is also not true. In the domain of aerospace and defense nearly everyone I know and work with is better or maybe equivalent to my experience and skills. I&#039;m usually on the outside looking in, trying help them in some way.
This is the basis of my statement. 
I&#039;d like to hear from Paul Ritchie of SAP on his opinion of &quot;professional.&quot; I&#039;d defer to his position for IT. But for us here in aerospace, the only way you get to called a Professional is to have PE on you card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis,<br />
Great Blog, added to my reader.<br />
Here&#8217;s my problem with all the &#8220;profession&#8221; discussion &#8211; not that you and all other don&#8217;t have some point. If we speak about professional engineers (I once held such a title), or professional photographers, or professional volleyball players, and maybe even professional pianist &#8211; what do we speak about when we say Professional Project Management? Couldn&#8217;t we also say Professional Bagel Maker? Both require experience, some training, probably some kind of &#8220;official&#8221; assessment before being allowed to work for money.<br />
But is it the same as the Profession of Law, Medicine, and Pilot?<br />
In fact from the example above, a graduate from medical school is not a doctor yet. She has to pass the medical board exam. Same for Lawyers. Going to school is necessary but not sufficient.<br />
So using the doctor example, where&#8217;s the state board exam for Project Management (Texas had an idea for Professional SW Developer at one time).<br />
In fact PM&#8217;s have NOT spent 1,000&#8217;s of hours mastering their skills. They may have spent 1,000&#8217;s working as a PM. But mastering skills. In what way would a PM be assessed by 3rd party overseers on those skills.<br />
In the end the statement &#8220;few are as talented as &#8216;me&#8217;&#8230;&#8221; is also not true. In the domain of aerospace and defense nearly everyone I know and work with is better or maybe equivalent to my experience and skills. I&#8217;m usually on the outside looking in, trying help them in some way.<br />
This is the basis of my statement.<br />
I&#8217;d like to hear from Paul Ritchie of SAP on his opinion of &#8220;professional.&#8221; I&#8217;d defer to his position for IT. But for us here in aerospace, the only way you get to called a Professional is to have PE on you card.</p>
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